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January 10, 2024 Governing Board...
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: We're going to call this meeting to order.
Will you please stand and join me in saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
(Pledge of Allegiance.)
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you. I'm going to call roll. We
have two board members that are with us via Zoom.
Luis Gonzales?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Present, here.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Dr. Wade McLean?
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: Present.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Mr. Greg Taylor?
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: Here.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Ms. Maria Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Here.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Theresa Riel, I'm here. Thank you.
I want to read the Land Acknowledgement Statement.
We acknowledge that Pima Community College is on the original
homelands of the Tohono O'odham people and the Pascua Yaqui who have
stewarded this land since time immemorial. The practice of
acknowledging the land of these sovereign nations brings to the
forefront their enduring connection to this land regardless of
historical and current colonization practices.
Let's also acknowledge that we all benefit from these lands on
which we work and learn. We encourage each of you today to learn
about the land we inhabit, the tribal communities connected to this
land, and the ways in which you can contribute to restorative
practices related to land and community.
Thank you. Moving on to item 2.1, the election of Arizona
Association of Community College Trustees representatives for the
2024 year.
Dr. McLean, do you have a motion?
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: So I would move that primary representatives
would be the Governing Board Chair, Theresa Riel, and the backup
member would be me, Wade McLean.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Is there a second?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Second.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Second.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you. Motion by Dr. McLean and second
by Maria and Luis both, thank you, I'll be the representative and
Dr. McLean will be the alternate.
By the way, we have been doing this. We've been both going to
the meetings so it's been very nice.
All in favor, say aye.
(Ayes.)
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Motion passes unanimously. Thank you.
Moving on to 2.2, the election of the two advisory committee
board representatives for the finance and audit committee. Currently
it's Maria and myself that have been doing that.
I like it. It's a great committee. It's very, very informative.
I think Maria would agree with me. But if another board member would
like to step into that place, that would be okay. Otherwise...
So do I have a motion?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Motion to accept me and Theresa Riel, Maria
Garcia, as representatives to the finance and audit committee.
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: Second.
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: Second.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you. Moved and seconded for Maria
and myself to be the representatives to the board advisory committee,
the finance and audit committee. All in favor, say aye.
(Ayes.)
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously.
Section 3.1, the public comment, call to the audience. We have
two registered speakers. Richard Hernandez, you'll be up first.
Thank you.
So the lights are or are not working? Are not. We'll give you
the -- thank you.
>> No problem. I have done three minutes many times before.
Happy New Year to everyone.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Happy New Year.
>> This is an interesting year. We get to elect the leader of
the free world, the President of the United States, people like me
and you who are taxpayers and voters, but we also get to elect three
new board members to Pima College. This is a really important time,
especially for those of us who live on the south side, minorities
like myself.
The last election cycle, I spent a lot of time knocking on doors.
I was even on Public Radio once or twice talking about we needed to,
at that time, the former chair, I think his name was Clinco, we had
to get rid of him, and we did.
Now the major challenge today is we need a new chancellor, a
permanent chancellor who has to be appointed by you. We need to
propel into 2024.
One of the many things I told the community, especially the south
side, to get a new elected member, was that not only to get rid of
Chancellor Lambert but some of his staffers.
Two of them still stand out, for me, and that's Jeff Silvyn and
Tom Davis. I say to you, chancellor, acting chancellor and chair,
why are they still here? I want to reaffirm my commitment to many of
you that I spoke to publicly, and I talked about this on Public
Radio, that we need new leadership.
Elections have consequences. We're about to elect three of you.
Not appoint, but elect.
So one of the concerns I have is that I see movement towards
bringing back the old regime. I want to remind the five of you that
two-thirds of the voters said we don't want to go that way. That's
why we have new people on this board.
It is time for you to reaffirm, move forward.
The second thing besides selecting the chancellor that I want to
recommend is no one on the executive leadership team should get a
contract. Let the new chancellor decide who his team or her team
will be.
We got great opportunities here. 2024 allows you, the people, to
speak, to vote. I'm reaffirming my commitment to the people that I
spoke to that I'm going to still work towards my commitment, that
change. We do need a new chancellor, Madam Chair, as soon as
possible.
Thank you.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you, Mr. Hernandez.
Next up, Makyla Hays.
>> MAKYLA HAYS: Good evening, board members, chancellor,
colleagues, and guests. My name is Makyla Hays. Faculty, PCCEA
president, AERC co-chair.
I love that people took the time and interest to submit 23 pages
of thoughts regarding BP 1.25 to the board. I counted 65 voices in
support of the employee version and 20 in support of version B for 85
voices total, which is amazing.
I wanted to address some concerns raised regarding the HLC.
First, HLC doesn't require that we leave all things the same during a
review. Rather, they want to see that we have identified areas that
need growth and are handling those areas strategically.
Some of the places that were identified were Criterion 2.C.1 and
2.C.2. The board should be trained and knowledgeable and
deliberations reflect priorities to preserve and enhance the
institution.
The proposed changes don't impact these criteria. Rather the
board would have more opportunity to ask questions and hear concerns
helping you meet your legal and fiduciary responsibilities.
Criterion 2.C.3 and 2.C.4, the board reviews the reasonable and
relevant interests of the institution's internal and external
constituencies during its decision-making deliberations and has
independence from undue influence. This is what we are asking for.
What better way to review those interests for internal and
external than by having both parties present their justifications to
you as you deliberate. Again, these would both be public discussions
and your deliberations would be public.
These are large-scale, public-facing policies and not individual
matters, and as such, they don't require confidentiality.
Criterion 2.C.5, day-to-day operations delegated to the
chancellor. This was brought up in several of the different comments
in support of the administrative proposal. I discussed this in the
December study session noting that it's typically mentioned under
ensuring faculty have academic oversight.
The argument made here, though, in the main comment was about
fear of deterring candidates from applying. This change does not so
much take power away from the chancellor as it provides employees
with more of a voice and reduces fear, leading to real shared
governance. Any future chancellor for PCC should value such a
change.
One comment stated a concern that employees will bring items to
the board out of political motivation with increasing frequency to
get their way. Another comment seems to imply that the
representative voice of the All-Employee Representative Council is
not truly representative. They also imply that the stance taken by
members on this issue or others is a minority stance, or that we
endeavor to put the board in a bad spot. That's just simply not
true. Your AERC is composed of voted-in representatives and members
of the employee representative groups or unions.
We are charged with ensuring the best interests of employees, the
college, and ultimately our students. To imply that this policy
suggestion was a power play is frankly absurd. Rather, the system
structure as is doesn't truly allow for employee voices to be heard
at the level that shared governance and higher education should be.
Thank you for considering these changes, and I look forward to
the retreat tomorrow and continued conversation.
Thank you for inviting your shared governance groups.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you, Makyla. Once again, call to the
audience is a really important part of communication with community
and the board, and we really appreciate both of you taking your time
to speak to us. Thank you.
Moving on to section 3.3, remarks by Governing Board members.
Mr. Taylor, would you like to start?
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: Sure. I'll just --
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: I made a mistake. Sorry, Marcy. You are
correct. Marcy Euler from the Pima College Foundation is going to
give her report. Please forgive me.
>> MARCY EULER: It's okay.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you.
>> MARCY EULER: I'm not offended (smiling). Thank you.
Good evening, Chair Riel, Governing Board members, Interim
Chancellor, faculty, guests, colleagues, friends. I wanted to do a
brief overview of the year that we had at the Foundation. I'm not
going to read all the slides to you, so rest assured, you got them in
your packet, but I do want to make sure and remind you that Pima
Foundation is the philanthropic partner to the college, and we
support the students, faculty, and programs that are important to our
region as well as to the institution.
I have provided our mission and vision and purpose, and
everything we do we do through the benefit of the college and the
students and the community that we serve.
So I have gone through and added a number of slides that are
based on the year that we just saw. A number of video links or other
links are provided, so you can watch. We had a video around the Ford
ASSET program that started in January. Our annual report came out in
February, and you can link that there if you have not read it
previously.
Sorry, this slide is so good, and it got cut off in the
translation from my computer to this computer, so I apologize.
In collaboration with workforce development and the Center of
Opportunity, Pima START, which is Success Through Advanced Reskilling
and Training, is the program at the Center of Opportunity to help
those people who are formerly homeless get training that will allow
them to not just have a sustainable living wage but a thrivable
living wage. We presented on that at the League of Innovation and
again later in the year.
In April we did a number of different things, including an
investor luncheon downtown, signing day and focus on our future,
which is happening again this April. In May, graduation, always a
wonderful celebration of what Pima is all about.
Also, our first cohort for the Earn to Learn scholarship that is
focused on students who are financially disadvantaged but in programs
that are too short-term to receive financial aid for. Our first
cohort is relatively small. It's the Ford ASSET students. There is
16 of them that are continuing through the program right now. So we
are doing the 8-to-1 match in collaboration with Earn to Learn.
We were the first community college in the country to partner
with Earn to Learn, to do Associate's degrees, and now do workforce
support as well.
In June, our fiscal year ended. We brought in about a million
dollars more in income than we did in expense, which is always good.
We had substantial gifts from Urban Research Park and Banner Health
prior fiscal year, and so far this fiscal year a substantial gift
from the Oro Valley Chamber of Commerce Foundation and Arizona
Complete Health. That's just through the first six months of our
fiscal year.
July, we had the going-away celebration for Chancellor Lambert.
That's also a slow time for us so there is not a lot on this slide.
In August we welcomed our Interim Chancellor. This was one of
our advertisements in BizTUCSON, identifying that we have new
leadership but we expect continued excellence at the institution and
with the Foundation.
September, this was a group of our team, Zulma, as well as the
scholarship team from financial aid and scholarships, attending the
National Scholarship Providers Association. We work hand in glove to
make sure that students are provided with as much financial support
as possible.
October was super busy. I know that Chairperson Riel went to the
Pima Diamondbacks game with a number of us. We presented, Interim
Chancellor, Chair Riel, Ian Roark and myself, presented about the
Pima START program at the ACCT conference, and a number of other
things that took place. One of the most exciting things was we moved
to a new office. Thank you to Phil and his team in marketing and
external relations and to STAR for doing the domino shifting into the
office. We are thrilled and it is such a great situation for us, so
we are really happy.
November, one of the students that won the contest that we did
for our art designs for some invitations, we identified Brandy
McDermott, that's one of her designs there. We did soccer. We did a
number of different things in November.
In December, I actually served with both of you at ZooLights
handing out candy canes and collecting books, and the Hall of Fame
induction ceremony for athletics was the first one in ten years.
That was a real wonderful thing to be able to participate in.
I started my job here in full capacity on August 1, 2018. On
July 31, 2018, our portfolio was $7.48 million. As of December 31 of
this year, five-and-a-half years later, essentially, we have $15.4
million in our portfolio and 8.8 million is endowed.
Now, that's really good, but even more important to me is that we
are spending the money the way our donors intended for us to do. For
the calendar year, January 1 through December 31, we provided
$650,000-plus in scholarships to students that were disbursed
according to the donors' wishes and criterion, and then program
support in excess of almost $2.3 million.
So we are growing our portfolio, but we are also spending money
on behalf of the college in the way that our donors intend us to.
We have some goals for the coming year. These are kind of our
three high-level goals, and we'll be doing more work at our board
retreat later this month. This is my team. They are a phenomenal
group, but we can't do this alone. Each and every one of you and
each and every one of you are people who make our jobs easier.
You're the people who go out and talk with potential donors, that
know former students, that talk with business leaders about the
college and the incredible things that are happening here. So while
this is my team, you all are part of my team too. We appreciate all
you do to help make our jobs easier.
This is our new address. We are in Room 246 here at District
Office. We are easy to find. If you ever want to e-mail any of us
it's our first name from the prior slide followed by
@PimaFoundation.org. If you have a chance and want to look at our
year in review, Savannah Franco who does our social media, you can
click on that and see a really rapid-fire 30 seconds of what happened
during the course of the year.
So that is my report. Thank you.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you, Marcy.
Okay, now moving on to board members' reports. Mr. Taylor?
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: Sure. I'll be brief.
Happy New Year to everyone in the Pima College community,
everyone today and our faculty, staff, and administrators. And a big
thank you to everybody that took the time, as we heard in the public
comments being mentioned, to submit comments on BP 1.25. I really
appreciated all the insights, whichever side or whichever, A or B,
the people are advocating for, it was really helpful to see
everybody's thoughts and hear them.
I read through all of them. I wanted to extend that appreciation
for anybody that took the time to put their thoughts together for
that. That's it.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you. Ms. Garcia?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Well, welcome, everyone, and Happy New
Year. I'm really looking forward to an extremely productive year
coming up. We have a lot of work to do.
I share in the comments that Mr. Taylor made in reference to the
comments that were sent in about our board policy change. I guess
the only thing I can say for myself is I think it's taken a long time
to get anything through, so I'm hoping that this coming year we will
work a little bit faster in getting things on the agenda as well as
making changes that we believe are necessary.
As a board member, I appreciate each and every one of you. I
value my peers, their comments. I value the support that Dave
Borofsky and other employees have provided me. My job for myself
anyway this coming year, I just want to say that I'm here to
represent the community and all of you. I don't have any personal
interest in anything that -- you know, I'm not loyal to any one
group, because that's what has been stated in the past. It is about
the community. It's about doing what's best for our students and our
community and developing it, as well as the business community.
Also, thank you so much for the faculty and staff. Without the
faculty, we wouldn't be putting out the great students and career
people that this college puts out. Thank you.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you, Ms. Garcia.
Mr. Gonzales, do you have comments for us?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Yes. I just want to let everybody know
Happy New Year's, and I think it's going to be a very productive new
year for all of us.
I just want to mention that what was said before, I echo that as
well, too, but more important, as one of the words that was mentioned
a while ago, it's not only the community but the voices of the
community, reference to what was shared earlier by Ms. Makyla Hays.
I think it's very important and imperative that we hear all that
information and that we also provide the feedback as well, too.
The five of us as board members, we need to listen to the people
but also do what is best for the college and do the right thing. I
think it's a must for all of us.
As mentioned earlier, we're going to have three new, possibly
three new board members, elected board members, but I think it will
be good. I welcome people that have interest and want to be
supportive and also want to invest in the volunteer work that we have
done in the past. My position is also ending, but I'm going to run
again in reference to being on the board.
I still think there is a lot of work to do, but more important, I
believe in the staff and believe in the faculty, but I believe in the
community as well, too, and Pima providing those essential trainings,
but also classes that are needed for the betterment of the community
and betterment of the college.
With those two words, thank you. Bye-bye.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you, Mr. Gonzales.
Dr. McLean?
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: I have no comments for tonight.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: I'm going to take your time and my time.
Thank you. (Laughter.)
So I hope you all wrote your New Year's resolutions, and I hope
you forgave yourself the next day for not doing them the first day.
That's what I do every year.
I was up in Phoenix a couple of days ago and heard Governor Hobbs
speak, and she spoke about how much she's enjoying being the
governor. I swear she took the words out of my mouth, words that I
have said. I am very appreciative and thrilled to be on the board.
I think this is one of the greatest institutions in Southern Arizona,
and we are really, really fortunate to have Pima College in our
midst.
I have two goals. I was going to show you my little list of
things, I have all sorts of things to check off every day. I only
have one check so far and we are on Day 10, so I decided not to do
that. But my two goals for this year, personal goals, not
necessarily that the board will go along with me or that it will even
come to fruition, but my goal is I would like to see the college have
a much more happy, peaceful, safe feeling here where every employee
feels like they are valued and that they matter and that they have
opportunities for growth and development.
Over the last two months, I have had a few people come up to me
and tell me that they still feel that the college isn't a family. I
know we are a big institution, but I do want to work on those family
issues. So I mentioned to the chancellor and to the legal counsel
that at some point I would like to start, you know, a meeting,
get-together, where we could brainstorm ways of making sure that when
we feel something is not going well or is going well at the college,
there is a safe place to share that information, that it won't be
taken as a criticism, right? We all make mistakes. But it won't be
a criticism. It will be an opportunity for growth and improvement.
I think the board is willing to accept those kind of criticisms.
We want to be better. I won't make the same mistake next time,
Marcy. I will be much more careful about following the darn numbers.
It's right here in front of me, too.
Anyway, that's the first thing. We want to work on that. This
culture of caring, it goes beyond just the words of saying we are
going to have a culture of caring at the college. We need to work on
the fact that we want everyone to feel welcome, empowered, and that
there are opportunities for growth and development for each and every
employee here.
The second thing I would like to do is I was reflecting back -- I
have been having those beginning-of-the-year nightmares. I haven't
taught for four years, but I still have those nightmares about first
day of school and showing up with the wrong textbook or the wrong
class or not knowing where I was going.
I was reflecting on the evaluations we had as faculty. So we had
evaluations by our supervisors, our deans, or whoever is over us. I
should have cleared this with somebody. I'm not really sure if
that's how it's still done, but that's how it was done five years
ago. And then we also have the students who are our subordinates.
They are also our clients and our students, and all that. So we had
360-degree evaluations, and they happened each and every semester.
That was really beneficial. Even though it hurt my feelings and
broke my heart every day, every semester when I would open up my
evaluations, and there would be one that just said horrible things
about me. I was the worst teacher ever. Anyway, I would be so upset
about that.
One of my mentors, Sue Jensen, she was a math faculty at the East
Campus, she said, Theresa, you don't take that to heart. Just listen
to the words the person is saying, and then make sure you're
improving on that aspect of your teaching or being there.
So what I'm going to really encourage the college to do and I'm
going to push forward is that we start having evaluations, that they
are not punitive. It's more of a sit-down, this is what I see you're
doing well, and this is where you could be better.
It can be the supervisors helping develop their team and it can
be the team helping develop the administrator. Instead of being
punitive and nasty-type evaluations, I want it to be something where
we can all grow and learn.
So those are my two goals this year. I think even though they
sound like they're sort of opposites, one is a culture of caring and
one is being evaluated, if we do evaluation the right way, it can
only help all of us be a better college.
Thank you, welcome back, and I hope you are more successful on
your New Year's resolutions. Thank you.
And now, we're moving on to the Pima Mission Moment with Emily
and -- thank you. Will you please introduce everybody when you get
up here? Thank you.
>> All right. Good evening, board, chancellor, colleagues and
guests. I'm Emily Halvorson-Otts and I am the dean of sciences here
at Pima.
I have the honor of talking about the Arizona STEM Adventure that
we partner with SARSEF. We have been doing this since 2015 at the
Northwest Campus.
We bring approximately 800 fourth through eighth graders every
year to the campus to engage them in wonder and excitement around
STEM-related activities. I'm going to let Susan and Julia speak more
about it, because it is their enthusiasm, expertise, and support that
really make the STEM Adventure happen.
If you would officially introduce yourself.
>> Hi, my name is Julia Michalak. I'm the Student Life
coordinator at the Northwest Campus.
>> I'm Susan Kramer. I'm the science lab supervisor at the
Northwest Campus.
>> For the Student Life coordinator position, it was something
that I inherited when I came into the role. Historically the
position has been involved with the planning committee in the role of
helping to recruit student volunteers as well as logistics when
needed, as well.
So I was able to be a part of the planning committee, the
selection process of the schools, and then offering assistance when
needed for logistics.
This has been a longstanding partnership with the science
division to provide a co-curricular volunteer experience for our Pima
students. So the fourth through eighth grade students throughout the
years, they have remarked that one of the most memorable parts of
their day is being able to interact and speak to our students who
serve primarily as their group leaders throughout the day and also
assist with our exhibitors.
I would like to also give a special thank you to our faculty.
Part of the recruitment process that I do is request to have some
time within their classrooms to present this opportunity to them, and
so for them allowing us and them sharing out as well this opportunity
for them to get involved, and then also at times offering extra
credit for their students who do participate.
Part of the recruitment, we allowed, invited SARSEF to come and
table on campus, invited them to key events with our engineering and
our science divisions, as well, in order to recruit our student
volunteers throughout the day.
I'll let Susan talk a little bit more about the exhibitor side of
the house, as well.
>> Good evening. So I kind of oversee the whole thing, but with
Julia's help, we pull it all together somehow. My big role is
working on getting exhibitors to the event with SARSEF. Since this
is really SARSEF's event, we are just the host site. They really
dictate what they are looking for for each year, so we have
approximately 30 to 35 exhibitors who we ask to participate.
Some of them are our own faculty. So we have science faculty,
physics, chemistry, biology, trying to remember what else,
engineering, who are exhibitors. We also have outside organizations
such as the Women's Chemistry Group, which is a group of retired
chemistry faculty basically who do stuff all year long.
Then we also have organizations that come, such as Raytheon who
will do activities with the kids or do presentations with the kids.
Some of the activities that the kids get to do, they get to make
their own Silly Putty, which is a big hit.
Raytheon actually brings in liquid nitrogen, and they show them
what they can do with liquid nitrogen, and they actually get a sample
of ice cream to sample.
They also do things, like we have the reptile, I forget their
name, sorry, conservancy come in with their reptiles, so the kids get
to actually handle the reptiles. There is a whole host of different
activities that the kids get to do. The primary goal is to get them
interested in science so that they can think of it as a career
potential.
I do want to mention, as well, we really do have a lot of support
from our PCC staff and faculty. They also volunteer for this event.
It takes about a hundred volunteers to put this on every year.
If you want to come next year, it's always the Friday before
Thanksgiving and you can come check it out.
>> So I'm going to summarize. We were asked to do this after I
submitted the board report. So in the board report, there is a
lengthy description of the Arizona STEM Adventure. Were the pictures
included? Okay. So there is lots of pictures in the board report,
but I wanted to just -- I realize I forgot to add one more thing.
Since COVID, we also started partnering with SARSEF to provide a
virtual STEM Adventure for the students. That actually reaches out
to all of Arizona, and that reaches approximately a thousand more
students.
So this fall, we reached over 2,000 students in STEM-related
activities through fourth through eighth grade with partnering with
SARSEF, which is a local nonprofit.
I wanted to add two more things. I have three goals for the
Arizona STEM Adventure, and you have heard two of them already. One
is engage the students in the curiosity, enjoyment, love of
STEM-related activities, have them think about their future in STEM.
The No. 2 one is to engage with Pima faculty and students that look
like them. The third one is to get them on a college campus so that
they can envision a future of going to college.
So with that, I'm going to give you two quotes that the students
had, and we had many, many quotes.
My students loved it. One of the best parts for me was hearing
students discuss how the exhibits related to lessons they had learned
at school. I'm great to hear students make connections to learning
and be actively engaged. Thank you for the opportunity to bring
students. It had a huge impact. Many said it was their favorite
field trip. It opened the students' eyes to the variety of STEM in
the real world.
With that, thank you for this opportunity to speak about the
Arizona STEM Adventure.
(Applause.)
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you.
Moving on to section 4.1, the administration report. We'll start
with Mr. Jim Craig, please.
You know, my computer isn't working, but... sorry.
Dr. Bea?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Chairperson Riel, members of the board,
Chancellor Duran-Cerda, colleagues and guests, it's my pleasure
tonight to provide a brief overview of the college's fiscal year '23
financial statements.
I see that I have five minutes. I doubt I'll be able to do it
within five, but I will try to keep to that and this will be a very
high-level overview of the annual report.
As board members know, the reports were issued in mid to late
December, and they are sent directly to the board by the auditor
general's office and they are posted on our website.
I encourage anyone who is interested in really learning and
digging into the details of the college's finances and other
statistical information to take a look at that report. I'm just
going to hit the very high-level changes year over year and then sort
of the key takeaways from the annual financial report here tonight.
So starting with the -- I think I shot too far here. I went
backwards. Hold on. There. User error. Sorry. There we go.
That's where I wanted to start. Starting with revenues, the key
changes year over year are basically the end of the COVID relief
money, so the major infusion of federal aid that came into the
college in '21 and '22 phased out in '23, so the biggest change you
see here is the reduction in federal grants of a little more than $41
million. Again, that was just one-time funds coming in through the
COVID relief money. Offsetting that reduction are increases in
tuition and fees, contracts, small increases in those areas, and then
more significant increases in property tax revenue that was planned,
property tax levy increase and growth in our taxes, and also in
investment earnings related to the changes in interest rates that
happened over that period of time.
So overall, a big reduction in revenues, but again, mostly that's
just because of the reduction of the one-time federal aid. Our
ongoing revenues went up.
In terms of expenses, the key takeaway again related to the COVID
relief money is the big reduction in expenses for financial aid.
Those were direct pass-through dollars to students related to COVID
relief money, and then increases spread throughout the different
operating expense categories. Primarily those related to salary,
approved salary increases. Class comp, this was the year that the
class comp program was implemented, so big increases for
compensation. Increased costs related to pension liability. And
then the continuation of expenditures related to the centers of
excellence.
So these were all planned and known increased expenses. Again,
because of the centers of excellence, there is a planned reduction
overall, and we've talked with the board about that, but you will
also see that. Again, I just highlighted this. Increases related to
compensation and pension liability. The reduction in the financial
aid is related to the COVID relief money. And then the increase in
contractual services is again the contractual increases related to
our centers of excellence projects.
Skip that. In terms of the net position, this is where the
college's overall financial picture is as of June 30th. Again,
spending down a little bit from our overall reserves, you see a
reduction in the cash and cash equivalents there, and overall an
increase invested in capital assets, you see that toward the bottom
there, where we're building the buildings, we have more capital
assets now online, and that's reflected in there.
The change in restricted net position and a shift over to
unrestricted net position is the paying down of bonds which are
technically restricted, and then those capital assets come online and
they are unrestricted once they go through that process.
In terms of the key takeaways is that we received again an
unmodified opinion. That's everything you want to get from the
auditor general's office. That means that the reports reflect in
their opinion reflect in all material ways the accurate statement for
the college's financials that this year we also implemented GASB 96
which is subscription-based IT. It's a technical accounting process
to categorize when you have ongoing license arrangements for
IT-related expenses. That's something we now have to reflect in our
financial reports.
Overall, it reflects again, and we have talked with the board
about this, an overall strong financial position at the college. I
talked a little bit about what the changes are. One other thing that
isn't reflected in this that came in between when we were putting
this report together and today was that one of the credit-rating
agencies, through their regular annual process, reviews our financial
performance, and they confirmed that our ratings are staying the
same. That's good news.
So our issuer rating is a AA for Fitch. The revenue bonds are
AA- and the outlook is stable. And again, they essentially just
issued a report that says that they've confirmed that for another
year. That's good news.
I do want to take a second to thank the folks -- oops. I cannot
figure this out. There we go. Cecily Westphal, Marisa Mandal,
Ariane Echard, Brenda Lee, Melissa Morrison, Tim Rapoza, Steven
Ritter, and Bernie Simon. Bernie is about to retire. These are the
folks who spend countless hours working with the auditors through the
audit process, getting these financial statements where they are
ready for review by the auditor and then get through the audit
process successfully. So thank you to all of them.
And as the board knows, next steps are going to be related to
developing the budget for the upcoming year. We are having a study
session in February. Looking forward to talking with you all about
that.
I will pause there and ask if there are any questions related to
the annual financials.
All right. Thank you. I think I went over five. Sorry.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: You did great. Thanks, Dr. Bea.
Okay. Now moving on to the reports by representatives. I do
have it in front of me now. We will just go in order.
Student report from Rebecca Ursule.
>> REBECCA URSULE: Good evening, chancellor, board members,
chairperson, Pima faculty and guests. I'm pleased to share a summary
of recent activities and achievements during the fall semester.
The student senators hosted a highly successful Town Hall event
fostering (indiscernible) engagements among the student body. We
extend our special thanks to the Interim Chancellor for generously
taking part in the meeting addressing students' questions and sharing
valuable insights.
We also express gratitude to the Pima Community leadership for
their continuous presence and unwavering support to our Town Hall
meetings. Their involvement is integral to the success of our
initiatives.
In the fall semester, we had a meeting with Dennis Chilton and
Melissa Lewis from the Pima department of payment. During this
meeting we discussed payment options and various issues that students
were facing. They not only successfully addressed the concerns but
also committed to updating the payment web page. We extend our
gratitude to the Pima department of payments for their efforts.
Also pleased to inform you that I had a meeting during the fall
semester with Dr. Aubrey, Joseph and Anthony, organized by
Dr. Valerie to discuss the bike path line. During the meeting, we
received updates and assurance that the campus is actively working to
collaborate with the City of Tucson to ensure the creation of a bike
path lane.
Throughout the fall semester, the student senators participated
in various meetings, involvement fairs, tabling events, high school
collaboration, being part of the safety committee department, Market
on the Move program, and other programs, all of which were executed
successfully. We are enthusiastic about sustaining this momentum and
continuing to advocate for the welfare of our fellow students.
In addition to these achievements, each senator is responsible
for completing a project which can range from a gift to a campus
prepared by the Student Senate to create a project or ongoing event
series to address a critical issue.
We are excited to announce that the Student Senate led by Marcus
V. is partnering with the Foundation to raise funds for a
(indiscernible) award. We are confident in the fundraising efforts
and believe that this award will make a meaningful difference. As
part of our project, we are looking to collaborate with the financial
aid office for the annual fall fair event to present this award to a
PCC student attending the fall semester 2024 events.
We are planning our spring retreat for the Student Senate on
January 16th to prepare for the upcoming semester and strategize on
the successful execution of our initiatives.
Looking ahead, there is currently one vacant position for the
Northwest Campus. The application is currently live on PimaEngage
and closed on Monday, January 29th at 11:59 p.m. We are committed to
swiftly filling this position to ensure effective representation.
In the interim, we are pleased to announce that Atheena Martinez
has volunteered to assist as needed and will contribute her valuable
insight and dedication to the position. We remain dedicated to a
mission of representing the student body and enhancing the overall
student experience.
Thank you for your ongoing support.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you.
Mr. Craig? You'll be next. Thank you.
>> JIM CRAIG: Good evening, and Happy New Year, Chairperson
Riel, distinguished board, Chancellor Duran-Cerda, PCC family and
friends.
The Pima Community College offered local law enforcement agencies
the opportunity to have first responders and investigators attend an
eight-hour workshop on cyber crimes, the dark web, and associated
technology strategies for issues of significance at crime scenes.
This course examined and illustrated the potential computer evidence
a first responder might encounter at a crime scene.
Topics included how to recognize illegal activity on a visible
computer screen, becoming familiar with the dark web and illegal
associated activity, recognizing what might be pertinent evidence and
the best handling of potential evidence.
Participants also examined the laws and regulations that have
been put in place to combat these crimes. In addition, the security
and safety issues facing officers were identified and strategies to
reduce and/or eliminate them were offered.
This very successful pilot will evolve into a train-the-trainer
curriculum intended to be shared throughout the community statewide
and possibly nationwide. Thanks to Chris Bonhorst, academic director
of IT/cybersecurity, and Marla Burnett-Fletcher, associate professor
administration of justice studies, for this interdisciplinary effort
with very broad impact to the law enforcement ecosystem.
You already heard about the wonderful STEM Adventure. Also
wanted to let you know about the Arizona near-space research,
ASCEND!, which is a near-space balloon research mission funded by
NASA. Each semester students team from different Arizona colleges to
take part in designing and constructing their payloads, which consist
of scientific equipment to be launched into the stratosphere attached
to a balloon.
Students get to choose the equipment based on the experiments
they create. This real-world engineering project provides students
with technical and practical skills. It also allows students to gain
hands-on experience. This semester's balloon launch just occurred on
October 17 when the team saw all their payloads sent off.
Our Pima team consisted of Matthew Oracase (phonetic) majoring in
electrical engineering, Roberto Navarro majoring in aerospace
engineering, and two mechanical engineering majors, Timothy A. and
Jordan B. They have employed every part of STEM to achieve their
payload goals this semester, utilizing this scientific method to help
develop their experience, harnessing technology to sensor-record
data, engineering to build the housing that keeps the technology
safe, and using mathematics to analyze the data gathered.
Their payload was successfully launched and retrieved. Data was
collected from the many sensors, and video from the ascent and
descent of the flight was successfully collected. The team thanks
their mentors, Ann Marie Condes and Ross Wildrup (phonetic).
There is a new FastTrack program from HIT, which is the certified
electronic health records specialist FastTrack program, taught by
Kelly O'Keefe, program director for HIT. It has enrolled 22 students
just since it began in 2023 with a 91.6% pass rates from those
students who have taken the national exam with the National
Healthcareer Association.
A new cohort of students enrolled begins every month on the 1st
to accommodate the flexibility in the schedule of potential students
to begin soon after registration. The course is designed to be
completed in four months. However, many students have been extremely
motivated and finished the course in as little as one month. Two
students have already been hired by Banner Medical Center and will be
starting new positions in January of 2024, this month.
Others have enrolled in the for-credit HIT program at Pima to
earn higher-level certifications and/or the HIT degree, and many of
the remaining students have elected to continue their studies with
the certified billing and coding specialist FastTrack taught by Wanda
Register, which just began this last November, as well.
This is such a great example of a success story related to
FastTrack microcredentials and competency-based open-entry, open-exit
learning models.
Finally, some input from the committee. Chancellor Duran-Cerda
joined the All College Council, ACC, meeting on December 14. Dolores
shared the Interim Chancellor goals and facilitated very lively
discussion on the ACC potentially focusing on one or more of these
goals.
One of the top areas of concern was retention. How can we
collectively work together to address retention issues from the
perspective of students, faculty, staff, and community members to
ensure more students complete to achieve every goal that they set out
to achieve.
The ACC embraced Dolores' request to pursue looking at some
aspects of retention as work for the ACC to take on this year in
addition to shared governance.
The ACC also voted on and approved the addition of an AERC member
attending the ACC meetings going forward to share projects and
initiatives and to help clarify the roles and responsibilities of the
two committees.
Jeff Silvyn reviewed the AP 1.06.01 titled All College Council.
ACC is actively making recommendations in revising the AP to make it
relevant and effective.
This concludes my report. Thank you.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you.
We have a third report, a staff report from Downi Griner. I'm
not sure if she might be online if she's not here? Is she online?
>> DOWNI GRINER: Yes, I am online.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you. We're ready for your report.
>> DOWNI GRINER: Good evening, board members, Interim
Chancellor, colleagues and guests.
For our report in January, I wanted to bring up that we are in
the midst of Super Saturday events for spring 2024 enrollment. These
events are meant to support students enrolling at Pima. They offer
help with admissions, advising, registration, financial aid, and much
more.
The first was on December 2nd. The second was on December 9th.
We had one last Saturday on January 6, and our final one will be on
January 13.
Student Life, Access and Disability Resources, Veteran and
Military Services, PimaOnline, and other supports are also available
at these events.
In our meetings, we talked about public service loan forgiveness,
which has been very helpful for our employees and even graduating
students who have worked at U.S. government entities or tax-exempt
institutions that can get loan forgiveness for their undergraduate
loans.
We did learn about a new valuable program that's coming up or
that is already available called SAVE. The saving is a plan that is
the newest income-driven repayment plan. What this does is it
calculates your monthly payment based on your income and family size,
so what this will do will benefit employees and our students with
lower payments for many borrowers.
How this is newer is it lowers payments for almost all people
compared to other plans. It bases this on a smaller portion of the
adjusted gross income and an interest benefit which means that if
your monthly payment does not cover the accrued interest, then the
government will cover the rest of the interest.
More elements of this will go into effect in summer 2024 and will
lower payments even more for borrowers and undergraduate loans, and
this will be helpful to both our faculty and our students as they
move forward.
Thank you.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you.
Dr. Dolores Duran-Cerda, time for your report. Thank you.
>> DR. DOLORES DURAN-CERDA: Thank you, board chair.
Happy New Year. Welcome back, everyone. It's great to see you
all here. It's an exciting time to start the spring semester, and
I'm very happy to be in this role.
I was reflecting over the break, you know, it's been, I guess I
just started my sixth month as Interim Chancellor, and I just am very
grateful for this opportunity, and it truly is an honor to be serving
in this role at this time.
So my goals, Interim Chancellor's goals, there are four of them,
and I just wanted to report that we're in good shape. So prepare the
college for reaffirmation of accreditation. We are well on our way
and thank you, all of you, who are here and virtually who have helped
us reach our goals in a timely way.
The second goal is to increase enrollment which includes
persistence, retention, and completion, and we're going to be making
more efforts towards that. We have had four consecutive months where
enrollment has been increasing, so we are very pleased with that.
No. 3 for my interim chancellor's goals is enhancing a culture of
caring. We have talked about that tonight, and we want to further
enhance it. So one of the things I'm going to be doing this semester
early on is to go to the campuses and have chats, chats with Interim
Chancellor, with staff and faculty, and just hear about what is it
that's going well, things that are improving, doing well. And
opportunities for growth that we can address, too. So I'll be
scheduling those very soon to be meeting at the campuses.
Also, my fourth goal is improve effectiveness, and that's just
looking overall our cost savings and ways that we can better improve
the college, so we're very diligent in looking at that, and Dr. Bea
and his team as well.
I'd like to welcome Aubrey Conover who is taking a new position
as lead of campus vice presidents in his assignment, so thank you for
joining us tonight. I'd also like to thank Tom Davis who had been
temporarily taking over that position. So thank you for your time
and effort, working on that.
There are two areas of the college I'd like to congratulate, and
one is PimaOnline and the other is the medical lab technology
program.
So PimaOnline received recognition at the Instructional
Technology Council annual conference and won several awards. One of
them is outstanding eLearning course design with Anne Huth, Noah Fay,
Anh-Thu Phan, Francisco Reynoso, Steve Bayless, Marcos Aaliyah, and
Clint Mossman.
Also, they received the award for outstanding eLearning faculty,
western region, with Vivian Knight, and then outstanding eLearning
student, Clinton McCullop (phonetic). I think that's how you
pronounce it.
Then one final award they received was outstanding use of
eLearning technology with Kimlisa Duchicela, Adam Baldry, and Brad
Butler. So I'd like to congratulate PimaOnline and Michael Amick who
is the vice president and the team that worked very hard to receive
this recognition. So congratulations.
Also, I'd like to celebrate the medical lab technology program
under health professions with Don Martin as the dean. One of our
students, Domonique Carter, achieved the highest score in the nation
for the American Society for Clinical Pathology certification, the
exam that they took. I don't know if I'm supposed to repeat this,
but his score was 957 out of 999, the best score in the country.
We are very happy with his accomplishment. That's due to the
faculty who taught and are really making this a robust program.
That's Amee Rosales, Elyse Gayda, Cori Plumb, Ann Haber, the MLT
students, and also the clinical preceptors and advisory committee.
So congratulations to the health professions for their medical lab
technology program as well.
The month of December I had several activities. I won't share
all of them but some of the highlights. Our student representative
mentioned the Student Senate Town Hall where several of us were
present there, and it was good to hear all of the representatives ask
questions and some of the concerns, you know, safety, and then
academics, all kinds of, a plethora of questions.
It was a pleasure to be there, and I hope we can continue having
those types of conversations, be it a Town Hall or at a Student
Senate meeting too that I can visit.
A few of us went to the mayor's inauguration. Also, I had a
lunch meeting with Superintendent Jose Gastelum from Sunnyside, and
we talked about strengthening our dual enrollment partnership.
We had a tour of the health professions building that's being
built at the West Campus with Senator Mark Kelly's staff. Marcy
highlighted the athletics Hall of Fame event that took place at the
West Campus. It was really exciting to see and to hear all these
athletes, former athletes, who came back and coaches and staff who
are so grateful to Pima College and have steered them in the right
direction and being successful in whatever career that they have
chosen. It was really heartwarming.
I also visited with our dual enrollment dean, James Palacios,
Pueblo High School, where we met with faculty, staff, students, and
parents and talked about dual enrollment and their successes. We're
going to try to make a stronger connection with their honors program,
Pima College's honors program, and since I sit on the board of U of A
honors advisory board, also having a nice pathway to that.
Yesterday in fact our acting provost, Jeff Thies, and myself we
went to visit and had a meeting with the University of Arizona's
interim provost, Ron Marx, and we talked about transfer opportunities
and guided pathways and strengthening our partnership there, bringing
the deans back together as we had in the past.
We talked about the centers of excellence. He's very interested
in the cybersecurity center of excellence, so he would like a tour of
that. So we can talk about that.
Upcoming on January 19, I will be at the ribbon or groundbreaking
of the early childhood learning center with the Pascua Yaqui Tribe.
I'm very much looking forward to participating in that.
Some updates I'd like to provide include the West Campus bike
path that, Rebecca, you had brought up before. So Aubrey Conover has
been working diligently with others at the college, including Joseph
Mais, and Joseph Mais has contacted the city transportation
department to request vegetation encroaching on the bike path on
Anklam to be addressed. He's asked for an examination as to whether
or not widening of the path could be possible to be placed on a
future agenda.
So the primary issue that Pima is able to address is at the
entrance of the West Campus off of Anklam. That's what we are
working on. We are working with facilities to have a space
assessment done and determine putting a designated bike path in the
entry lanes coming into the campus. So facilities has approved the
contract of painting the lanes, which we hope to be completed in the
next four to six weeks.
So I think they shared that with you, Rebecca, and you shared
that with the Student Senate? Yeah, so that's the update regarding
the bike path at West Campus.
The other update I wanted to share with you is the Drachman
properties work group. So Nina Corson has been leading that group
with an outside facilitator, and they have had several meetings but
two formal meetings. One that was held on the 15th off November.
That's where we shared the charge and the directive from the board to
the group as to what should be done and in a timely fashion, so that
session was mainly brainstorming about funding resources and what are
some of the options that can happen.
Then just before the holiday break, on December 21, the work
group met again and had a physical tour of the properties. Then
January 24th, they are going to be meeting again and sharing
potential funding sources.
So it's going very well. They have created subgroups, as well,
and one of the members, committee members, Ken Scoville, has arranged
a tour of two local facilities that have been renovated, Ghost Ranch
and Monterey Court. This is going very well.
The group is wanting to ask the board, the work group is asking
if under three weeks if they could have a bit of an extension to
complete their work. The reason is because the Futures Conference is
taking place on March 8th. They'd like to incorporate that into the
agenda of the Futures Conference, and the Futures Conference, as you
know, is community members in business and industry, K-12 sector, all
of our partners that we have throughout the community, to get their
input as well.
So I don't know if this is the appropriate time to --
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: We'll talk later about that.
>> DR. DOLORES DURAN-CERDA: Okay. We'll talk later about that.
So those are my updates. Since I spoke about the Futures
Conference, the topics that we will be discussing are strategic
priorities for 2024 and '25, equity and social justice priorities,
possible relocation of PSESI, and as I mentioned, the Drachman
properties.
Also, I'd like for us to do an assessment of the centers of
excellence that have been completed, and those are automotive,
aviation, and cybersecurity. So we'd like input from the community
because a lot of them are from the business and industry sector, and
our students have gone to work with them. So we want to see how
we're doing in that sense.
I think I am done with my report. Thank you very much.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you.
Item 5 is the information items. I just want to talk briefly
about 5.1, the proposed revisions to the board policy 1.25.
Once again, it's already been mentioned, but thank you very much
for sharing your thoughts and ideas with the board, because, you
know, the more information we get, the better decisions we can make.
This has been a long process. I introduced this board policy
revision I think back last February just verbally and said, hey, can
we get this going. In April, I actually had the papers that I shared
with everybody, and it's taken a long time.
I know that it's very important, and we are so appreciative for
all of the different inputs from AERC, the Faculty Senate, the Staff
Council, all of the different groups that have met to discuss this
board policy.
So over the next month, each of us will individually be pondering
what we think is the best option for the college, and then we're
planning on having discussion next month and voting on that next
month. In the future, we want to have it happen way faster than the
9, 10, 11 months' timeline.
Section item 5.2, it's a revision I brought up about board
policies. We have one board policy that has information that's sort
of superfluous. The extra words don't really matter, because at the
very end they say but the board doesn't have to do this with a
majority vote. Well, that's true any time the board is making a
decision. If we have a majority vote, we get to vote.
No sense having all those extra words. It sort of sounds like
the board isn't as good as it is, and it is nice to lift people up
instead of put people down.
Then another section in that same -- I meant to say bylaws. I
hope I said bylaws. I'm talking bylaws. There is another section
that says that the board will have members from a group that it's
really hard to get a member from the temporary staff to be part of
the board committees, and so we're going to also change that. Since
we haven't had one and we don't have one, we're just going to remove
those words from that too.
Okay. Moving on to the consent agenda. Is there a motion to
pass the consent agenda?
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: So moved.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Is there a second?
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: Second.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you, Dr. McLean.
All in favor, say aye?
(Ayes.)
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Any opposed?
Motion passes unanimously. Thank you.
Moving on to item 7, we have three action items. The first is
delegating authority to execute a contract for an executive search
firm to conduct the chancellor candidate search process.
Dr. McLean, do you have a motion for that?
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: I move that the Interim Chancellor
recommends the Governing Board -- well, actually, the Governing Board
authorize the Interim Chancellor or designee to execute an agreement
with Anthem Executive search firm recommended by the advisory
committee to support the chancellor search process. Total costs are
not expected to exceed the chancellor's level of contracting
authority.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Is there a second?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Second.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Any discussion?
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: I'd just like to point out that the
committee that we had put together has extensively studied this
topic, looked at all available companies for the search process, and
we owe them a debt of gratitude for all the hard work they've put in
making this recommendation.
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: Yeah, I just want to echo that. Thank to
you everyone on that committee. I agree. I had a chance to read not
only the proposals but the videos from the presentations they did to
watch those, and I concur with their recommendation that Anthem seems
like the way for us to go.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you for the people in procurement who
also helped to get all that done. Thank you for sending us the
videos. We appreciated being able to be part of that process. So
thank you.
Any other discussion? Hearing no discussion, I will call for a
vote. All in favor say aye?
(Ayes.)
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously.
Item 7.2, discussion and possible modifications to the Governing
Board vote to develop options for the Drachman properties.
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: Madam Chair? We gave this committee a
tremendous task, and it's taken a little bit of time to put together
the committee, but as I understand it, the makeup of the committee
well represents the community as well as architectural and structural
and even political members of our community.
They have been working diligently, but I think in light of what I
have heard, I'm wondering if they need a little bit more time in
order to get a recommendation to us.
I'd like to ask whomever wants to respond how much time do you
need to get this done in a very, very comprehensive way?
>> DR. DOLORES DURAN-CERDA: I'm going to ask Nina Corson, who is
leading the work group, to share that information with the board.
>> NINA CORSON: I think we're asking to bring the
recommendations to the board on April 3 instead of the March board
meeting. As our Interim Chancellor mentioned, we'd like to also be
able to get wider input from the Futures Conference, provide a little
information at that venue, as well.
I know that we have these working adults who we have asked to
come together and do work. You know, we have asked them to do this
work in good faith. There is a neighbor right across the street.
You can see her house from the campus. The whole group really just
feels like they would like these three extra weeks to do a really
good job for the board and the community. So that is what we are
requesting. Thank you.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you.
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: Madam Chair, in light of that request, I
move that the board extend the report deadline to April 3.
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: Second.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Any other discussion?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I'd like to have a discussion.
Okay. I guess primarily we have been dealing with these
properties for a long time, and so the April extension to include
more people and present it at the Futures Conference, I would say
that if you don't have the money to do it now, we shouldn't even be
considering this. Where's the money? Does the taxpayer want to pay
for this?
So do you have anything -- I'm sorry, do you have any possibility
of having --
>> NINA CORSON: I thought these were rhetorical questions. I'm
sorry.
Yeah, there are a couple of the members that do have some
realistic suggestions for the college. I don't disagree with you
that the college has been dealing with this for a very long time, but
this particular group has not. They are trying very hard to come up
with some reasonable suggestions for the college.
Some of the proposals -- they're not going to bring one proposal.
They're going to bring multiple. Some of them may involve preserving
some of the existing structures. Some may not. May involve knocking
them down and doing something a little different in terms of
public/private partnerships, or the city with the Thrive in the 05
initiatives.
I mean, I would like to give this group time to flesh out what
they're working on.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Well, I guess my point is the original
proposal or estimate was that it was going to cost the college
approximately $34 million to renovate these properties, and I can
only imagine with costs escalated it's going to be probably closer to
40.
Now, in my view, this is just my opinion, $40 million, and I may
be overexaggerating, but do we really have community engagement not
only to give us proposals but the money to do this job?
>> NINA CORSON: Well, we will see.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry.
It's just been very frustrating to continue to deal with this,
and it's a liability to the college to have these vacant buildings.
>> NINA CORSON: I 100% agree. I work at the Downtown Campus,
and every week we are having to clean up some mess or another that is
happening in those facilities with people breaking in. It's an
eyesore for the neighbors.
I think some of the neighbors don't really care what we do with
it. They just want us to do something nice with it, because right
now what we are doing is unacceptable.
Yeah. Thank you.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: So Maria, just to give you a little bit of
support, when I thought about those possibilities for those
properties, I either saw demolishing, like, the two on the far west
side, and then when Mr. Silvyn and Dr. Dolores Duran-Cerda and I met
with two people from the city, the four of them were just
brainstorming, we sat for about, I don't know, 55 minutes and they
came up with so many great ideas. Not necessarily to preserve the
buildings. Possibly. You know, there was talk of that too. But
also just the amazing opportunities for buildings that could be
student-focused and success-driven.
It was just really, really a positive experience to be there. I
didn't offer anything. My brain doesn't work that way. But I'm sure
that Nina's committee has people that are doing that.
So hopefully, if we allow them to have this extra three weeks
-- by the way, the board meeting would have been on the 18th. This
is actually less than three weeks. I think it's 20 days, I counted.
I think that if they can utilize the Futures Conference to even get
more ideas, I think that that will be beneficial. And who knows who
else we'll touch as far as ideas about funding sources.
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: Madam Chair? In lieu of what Member Garcia
has just stated, it's my recollection that we had instructed the
committee to report to the chancellor and then the chancellor would
make a decision on selecting an option, and in lieu of the concern
that's been expressed as far as finances and the impact to possible
student programs, I think that it would make more sense to have them
make that recommendation directly to the board, seeing as any
expenditure of district funds has to be done by the board anyway, so
I would move to amend our previous direction to that committee and
have them make the recommendations to the Governing Board as opposed
to the chancellor.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I second it.
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: So the previous -- I don't know if this is a
point of order. But the previous motion doesn't do what you're
describing.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: So let me interrupt. Can we combine those
two motions? So to give the direction for the committee to report
their four decisions or eight decisions, whatever it is, to the board
and to extend the time for three more weeks so they report to us in
the April board meeting, that's the two parts of your amended motion?
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: That's correct.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Okay. Does that make sense?
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: Yeah. I mean, I guess my only point would
be I think the current motion already does that, so what the current
motion says is that if anything involves expending additional college
dollars, it has to come here. But if it's an option that doesn't,
just raising 100% noncollege dollars, it wouldn't require us to
approve it to go forward.
So I have no problem with changing it to that. I think it just
doesn't change anything. I think it's the same outcome either way.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: I think what the thought was that if the
chancellor approves something that the board isn't willing to fund,
it would be one less step that we have to do.
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: I'm just saying that the current motion
doesn't give her the authority to do that, so she can't approve
something that the board isn't willing to fund. The only way she
could approve it is if no college funds were used for it.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I would rather have the board make that
decision.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Okay.
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: I don't have any problem with restating it.
I just don't think it changes anything from the original motion.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Okay. Any other discussion? Okay.
Calling for the vote, all in favor, say aye?
(Ayes.)
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: This new motion that the board will approve
which option, and that we're going to extend the time for the
committee to get their work done to deliver to us to the April 3rd
board meeting.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Aye.
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: I think I had a different understanding of
what the motion was based on how you just restated it. Nay on that.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Do I need to restate it clearer? Dr.
McLean, did I state that correctly what you were trying to, what you
did say?
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: Well, two things. You said it earlier. One
is that the committee would make their recommendations directly to
the board as opposed to the chancellor, and that we would extend the
deadline for that report to be to April 3rd.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Okay. So Dr. McLean, did you vote -- of
course you voted.
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: In the affirmative.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: I did, too.
Mr. Gonzales, are you still with us?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: I am, and I said yes.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Okay. So the motion passes 4 to 1.
Then our last item in section 7, the discussion and possible
direction for the City of Tucson Sun Tran bus fare funding.
Is Dr. --
>> DR. DOLORES DURAN-CERDA: We will be a tag team.
Dr. Bea, if you'd like to give the background information,
please.
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Good evening again. Let me just do sort of a
quick-and-dirty summary of how we got to where we're at and sort of
where we're at with the bus transportation issue.
So the city received federal COVID money, and when they received
that money, they made a decision during the COVID time frame to
provide fare-free transportation for the bus services. Now that that
money is phasing out, the city is in a bind where what they would
like to do is continue fare-free bus transportation, but the problem
is they don't have a revenue stream to support it.
One of the things they looked at doing was look at different
constituents and see if they could have those constituents share some
of the cost burden to be able to retain fare-free transportation for
the bus services.
This is going back in time, April-ish last year, if I remember
right, where they provided us information to -- it was to Pima
College, to the University of Arizona, and to TUSD, those three
jurisdictions only, received letters saying here's your allocation
based on this methodology that we put together. We would like you to
basically support the bus system by providing these costs, and that
would provide some revenue that would enable the city to provide
fare-free transportation.
We turned around and said, okay, there are some problems. One is
the methodology you used has a lot of problems. Basically they
attributed to Pima College every person who got on or off the bus
within a quarter mile of any of our campuses, and everyone who got on
or off at East or West Campuses because those are end locations.
Now, a lot of people will drive/use our parking lots and they
aren't connected to the college, so one of the things we did, along
with TUSD and the University of Arizona, was point out to the city,
hey, there is some problems, we can't do what you're saying. It is
not within our legal jurisdiction to be providing bus transportation.
We could provide support for bus transportation for our employees or
students, but we would have to know that we were paying for that, and
that would have to be a budgeted expense. Same thing with TUSD and
University of Arizona. They had the same problem.
So what essentially was happening is the city was looking to take
their burden of operating costs for bus transportation and push it to
other entities, other jurisdictions. So just to kind of give you why
that would legally be a problem, is that essentially our taxpayers
who represent Pima County, not just the bus locations in Pima County
and just in the city, that people, so people as far out in the rural
areas of Pima County would be then essentially subsidizing the bus
transportation in town.
So we pointed out to the city, we can't do this, we can't do it
the way you're talking about it. We're happy to talk to you about
what you're trying to do. We're not anti-supporting fare-free
transportation. We are not pro or against it. We understand what
you're trying to do.
So as a result of that, those three entities were invited to
serve on a committee, a transportation committee that was tasked with
coming up with short-term solution, midterm, and long-term solutions.
So we worked with that in good faith. Again, they were
representatives from TUSD, University of Arizona, and from Pima on
that committee. I think it's still going but it's kind of phasing
out.
Essentially the recommendation from that group was because of all
the problems that we pointed out, because of the realities, the legal
restrictions, the problematic methodology that they were using, this
isn't a way to do it. We're not against the idea of helping to
support it, but it has to be tied directly to people who are
connected to the college using the service, and we'd have to be able
to show that.
The recommendation from the group, just to give you the inside
baseball part of this, the recommendation from the group was really
looking at creating a taxing entity, a taxing jurisdiction, that
would then take this on, provide the revenue necessary to provide
this kind of support, et cetera, et cetera. There turned out to be a
legal problem with that recommendation, and then when it went back to
the council, again, I think the three educational entities became the
targets of the frustration of the city having a problem and their
perceiving that we're not trying to help, which is actually not
accurate. We're trying to provide solutions, trying to help them
clarify what the problems are with how they're looking at it, but
that's essentially where we're at.
The idea, the city, the fares that they used to receive are in
the neighborhood of $12 million. To give some context, they were
trying to get the college to pay for about $500,000. We have never
had any budget to provide support anywhere even remotely near that
for transportation for students or employees.
TUSD and the U of A have some slightly different situations. The
university has subsidized some bus transportation in the past, but
they used parking revenues to offset that, so they have a revenue
stream that helps offset that. TUSD provided some support for
students and I think employees who used the bus transportation
because it saved them money. So we're all the same and we all have
slightly different situations, as well.
All of those things have been said in that committee. Again, we
have been working very collegially with that committee. Both Libby
and I have been sitting on that group and explaining where we're
coming from and trying to come up with solutions.
Again, it's sort of an intractable problem and the fact that the
college seems to be, the college, University of Arizona, and TUSD are
pointed out as particular causes of the problem is not really what
the situation is. The problem is that they want to provide fare-free
transportation. They don't have a revenue stream to support it, and
that's their problem.
Again, we're happy to work with them and try and come up with
solutions. That's where we're at. I will be open to any questions
you may have. That's my perspective of where that thing is at.
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: I mean, I guess this is kind of rhetorical,
but just to confirm, I watched that city council meeting, and it was
explicitly stated in there that Pima College, the U of A, and TUSD
were recommending to the city that they reinstate fares and that if
they, and again, this was stated in the meeting, I'm paraphrasing
slightly, and that if the city were to reinstate fares would be
because we recommended to them that they reinstate fares.
That just seems absurd to me, and just to validate that that is
not what, at least per Pima College, that is not what we were
recommending in our participation in those groups?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Right. And so I'll try and explain to you how
what we could have said translated into that, and then you'll see
that there is a pretty big gap between those two points.
So when I was saying the one thing that -- legally, with our
jurisdiction, we can support educational expenses at the college. If
they provide fare-free transportation, there is no costs that are
tied to the students or the employees who might be using the fares.
So the idea with it is, well, without knowing what the fares
would be, we would be hard-pressed to be able to identify that that's
an appropriate cost for the college or the university or TUSD to take
on. We certainly, not one of us, recommended -- it was really the,
hey, we need to have something that's tied directly to our
constituents that we would understand that cost, and that got
translated into we want fares to come back.
Fares would give you -- right, fares give you what those costs
might be, if you can tie it directly to the students, but it
certainly, we weren't advocating for that.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: I remember when I was teaching at the East
Campus, I took the bus. I paid my own fares, and I think it was 50
or 75 cents each direction. Took the 8 down Broadway and caught the
17 down Pantano or I would walk a half mile up to 5th Street and take
the No. 3 because it would go all the way there.
At that time there were a lot of students that took the bus, and
mind you, I was only on one bus getting there and one bus leaving,
but I would see, you know, one or two dozen students leaving the East
Campus. So I do think we have a lot of students that need public
transportation, because they don't have a car, or they might be too
young to drive, you know.
At that time, I'm pretty sure, and I don't know how the college
did it, but the college bought bus passes, reduced-fare bus passes
for our students. So that shows that the college does support public
transportation and the City of Tucson and Sun Tran. But what you're
saying is that with it being fare, there is not anything legally you
can or the college can purchase to subsidize the students with this
fare.
So I think it was unfair that the college would be shown in that
light of not caring about the Sun Tran system and not caring about
our students.
>> DR. DAVID BEA: Right. And in fact on multiple occasions we
talked about how much we do support public transportation and are
there at the table trying to help them come up with some solutions.
So I agree with that.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: I have one more question. I was looking
back in my book, because I write everything down so I don't forget
it. This only goes back through June, but I remember Former
Chancellor Lee Lambert talking to us, and I'm not sure if it was the
entire board or if it was just the chair and the vice-chair, but he
told us that there was no way that the college could spend that kind
of money that was being requested to do that for the reasons that you
have just detailed.
So I'm wondering why that wasn't communicated back then to them
so we could have staved off some of this miscommunication now?
Anyway, just wondering.
>> DR. DAVID BEA: I would only be speculating, because I think
that that has been explained and stated. And in particular, when it
also was happening last year was after tuition had been set, and
there was an additional problem where it was so late in the game that
the only revenue source that we could have adjusted would have been
tax-based.
So there is the ability for us to create a student-based fee that
would be a public transportation support fee of some sort. It's not
that we can't do something like that. It's just we couldn't do it in
that time frame, and for that then to be turned around and pushed
directly onto the taxpayers is when that becomes completely
inappropriate.
Because again, and you take it to the different extremes is that
our jurisdiction is not the same as Sun Tran, right? We have
taxpayers who go as far out west, almost to California, right? And
they get zero benefit whatsoever out of this. So it's not an
appropriate expense for us to be pushing to our taxpayers.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Would that also be inappropriate because
not all of our students take the bus and all students would be
assessed that fee, which is also...
>> DR. DAVID BEA: And then other students would not -- and then
you have that problem, yeah.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: So there is quite a few places of --
>> DR. DAVID BEA: There is lots of problems.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Yeah. Thank you.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I just wanted to make a statement.
You know, I have been on this board now for five years, and with
the signage that we have at the Downtown Campus, which was the city
that donated it to us so that we could pay the expense on that
maintenance, and now the Drachman properties that they want to keep,
and now we're talking about bus fares, when is the city going to stop
trying to take our educational dollars and use them for their
services?
I want to thank you for participating in that meeting. You know,
you've done a great job. I know you're doing a good job as far as
representing us, but I just think that it's wrong for other entities
to try to take what little money we have -- we don't get any funding
through the state. You know, it's all on taxes. Our taxpayers are
paying for education and tuition. It's wrong for them to make these
requests.
So that's all I have to say. Thank you.
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: Just to echo something that Chair Riel said,
I think it would be perfectly appropriate for us if the city, based
on their own decision-making, not at all at our urging, decided to
reinstate fares, for us to purchase bus passes or whatever for our
students that needed them, I think that's completely appropriate for
us to do that, that we do that based on the utilization.
I agree with what Maria said, too. Any kind of just sort of
blanket underwriting doesn't make sense to me for all the reasons
that are articulated here; nor would that student fee approach,
because that essentially creates like a hidden tax that they're
wanting us to implement on our students to fund public
transportation. That doesn't make sense to me either.
Certainly as a college, I think we could step up to support our
students or our staff, faculty, administrators if fares were to be
reinstated. Just to be clear, that would not be our decision that
fares would be reinstated.
Do you need, or I don't know if this is for Interim Chancellor
Duran-Cerda or Dr. Bea, do you need like a motion or resolution or
something from us that kind of codifies what our position is? I also
don't want to jump ahead of Luis or Wade if they have anything, but
would that be helpful in terms of taking it back to the city and
saying, look, this is the parameters that we can work under, this is
what the board decided, or no?
>> DR. DAVID BEA: My view, and Dolores, you can certainly weigh
in too, I think that's up to you as the elected officials -- I don't
thing it's necessary we are relaying back -- you know, it made it
sound like the board wasn't apprised. I obviously have had
conversations with the board about this issue and explained it, which
they also have heard at least, you know, at my level through that
committee.
You know, we reassured them that the chancellor and the board are
familiar with what the issues are and with what our approach is. I
think it's up to you on whether you want to make some statement to
the city. I'll leave that to you. I don't think it's necessary to
communicate from the committee's standpoint.
>> DR. DOLORES DURAN-CERDA: I'd just like to add that prior to
the winter break, I did send a letter to the mayor and to the city
council members, clarifying our stance and opening up a conversation,
a window if they would like to continue the conversation of
clarification. But I think I agree it's up to the board's pleasure
what they want to do.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: I don't really know if there is a motion
-- Luis, did you have something to say? I'm sorry.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: I just want to say that as we have heard
the comments, it is a city burden, but I don't think it's for Pima
Community College, I don't think it's an appropriate expense for all
of us to undertake, especially if it's going to be impacting the
community, more additional fees or whatever we need to do.
But I think this request, I'm not happy in reference to the
request for the U of A, for TUSD, and for Pima Community College to
be addressing a burden that's a city burden that they want us to do,
to resolve it.
At this time I would say no. I think it's their problem. I
think they also have a full responsibility to address this and find
solutions for it. I would comment no.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: I don't really know if there is a specific
motion we can make, anyway. But, I mean, I want to say that I
believe that everybody on the board and in administration and at Pima
College, we support public transportation, because we know that many
of our students can't get to school without it.
So we definitely want to be working with the city to make sure
that whatever they do decide is a positive decision for our students
and for the residents of Pima County.
And we do recognize -- by the way, we're facing our own budget.
You know, we all want lots of pretty raises and, you know, to finish
our centers of excellence. We have a lot of things that we want to
spend our money at the college.
So I think that -- I'm sure that somebody is going to be
listening to this and they can share it, and of course we can all
share it with our own city council members, right, because they need
to know from us how we feel, but I think it's an inappropriate,
sounds actually like it's illegal, anyway, for us to use taxpayer
dollars on spending for somebody else, some other institution's
operational budget. Anyway...
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: Yeah, FYI, I have communicated with both the
city council members that overlap District 4 and have made that
pretty clear too. The other thing that was stated in that meeting,
and again, I'm paraphrasing, not direct quoting, but there was this
implication that also kind of rubbed me the wrong way that the
representatives from Pima College were sort of just some
administrators and the board didn't know, and if we knew we'd be
outraged. It just was ridiculous.
So I hope if anybody does take something away from this, I think
I'm hearing pretty -- we haven't heard from Dr. McLean, but at least
four of us that are pretty solidified in supporting what our
administrators who participated in these meetings have been sharing,
that the board concurs with that position.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Dr. McLean, did you want to weigh in?
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: I'm supportive of what the administration
has done up to this point in time and would hope that they continue
to act as good neighbors.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you.
Okay. So thank you. Thanks to Libby Howell, too, for
participating on the committee. We really appreciate you doing that
for the college.
Item No. 8, any requests for future agenda items?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Can we have a special meeting to vote on
board policy 1.25?
>> MR. GREG TAYLOR: Rather than at the next board meeting, you
mean?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Before. It would only be that one item.
>> DR. WADE McLEAN: Madam Chair, we're going to be in a meeting
all day tomorrow. We have the board meeting set for our regular
March meeting. We're going to have lots of responsibilities here in
the next couple of months. I think we have enough meetings.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: So I agree with you that it would be nice
to get this done, just to move it forward so that we know what's
happening, but at the same time, I don't think there is anything that
us voting on board policy 1.25 right now will impact the college in
not doing its work for the Meet and Confer process and everything
like that. So it would be nice to get it done, but would you mind...
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: Well, I think that I would push to try to
get this done, because it would only take probably what, 10 minutes,
15? We could do it on Zoom.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: I don't see a lot of support for it, Maria.
Sorry.
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: All right.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Thank you.
Any others?
Okay. So then we'll adjourn --
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: I have a question, I have a comment.
Maria, did you mention that you wanted this on the agenda for
next month or to have a special meeting first?
>> MS. MARIA GARCIA: I wanted a special meeting, but they're not
willing to do that. (Laughter.)
Nobody is in agreement. That's okay.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Luis, all I was saying is that we have a
lot of things already on the calendar, and, you know, there is
nothing that the college can't do moving forward with Meet and Confer
and, you know, contract talks and all of that, because what this is
going to change is at the very end of all of that operation, that
operation isn't changing at all.
So I think we can wait. Is that all right with you, Luis?
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Well, that will be fine, but I think the
sooner the better, I think as soon as we can. It's been a while.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: I agree. From now on we will have a
deadline date instead of saying six months. We're not going to say
that either. We are going to say a date from now on.
We'd like to have this finished by, and then a specific date, so
we can all write that in our calendars and make sure it's happening.
>> MR. LUIS GONZALES: Yes.
>> MS. THERESA RIEL: Then I'm going to adjourn the meeting.
Thank you, and have a wonderful month.
(Adjournment.)
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